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Два дні члени бізнес-асоціацій з різних регіонів України, які представляють інтереси малого і середнього підприємництва, шукали консенсус щодо основних тем, які варто винести на обговорення під час парламентських слухань, запланованих на кінець вересня (читайте с. 3 обкл). Усе це відбувалося під час національної конференції «Майбутнє МСП в Україні: Співвідповідальність. Комунікація. Розвиток», організованої в рамках проекту USAID «Впевнений бізнес – заможна громада».

Найбільшої уваги для розвитку підприємництва в Україні, на думку учасників конференції, — потребує інфраструктура підтримки малого та середнього бізнесу, доступ до фінансових ресурсів, а також законодавче забезпечення та комунікація влади й підприємницького середовища. У конференції взяли участь і іноземні експерти. Користуючись нагодою, ми поспілкувалися з Емілією БАГІРОВОЮ, координатором програми євроазійських країн Центру міжнародного приватного підприємництва (Вашингтон), та поцікавилися думкою про стан справ у МСБ по-українськи.

– Эмилия, вы слышали мнения, позиции разных предпринимателей на протяжении двух дней, ознакомились с их проблемами и страхами. Какие выводы можете сделать?

– Да, я выслушала много мнений от предпринимателей, много высказываний по отношению к тем или иным проблемам. Но в этих всех высказываниях человек со стороны слышит фрустрацию, разочарование от того, что люди не верят в возможность достигнуть желаемого. Такое состояние идет, в первую очередь, от тех людей, которые твердят: «Правительство нас не слышит. Правительство не хочет слушать о наших проблемах».

Как в украинских реалиях добиться, чтобы власть услышала малый и средний бизнес?

– Я не изобрету велосипед, если скажу, что малому и среднему предпринимательству нужно объединиться, разработать набор рекомендаций по поводу проведения дальнейших реформ и предложить его правительству. Реформы неотвратимы, но малому и среднему бизнесу нужно показать, рекомендовать, как должны пройти эти реформы, чтобы не ущемить его интересы. Опыт работы CIPE показывает, что вначале всегда трудно. Но когда создается эффективная коалиция, когда вместе собирается большое бизнес-комьюнити, это дает мощный результат. У каждого из них есть свои персональные интересы, но коалиция не зацикливается на интересах той или иной группы, а должна сконцентрировать свое внимание на самых крупных целях. На том, что касается каждого. И только тогда ее ожидает успех. Только затронув одну большую проблему, которая влияет на всех, можно увидеть результат.

– Вы увидели сплоченность украинского малого и среднего предпринимательства?

– У украинского бизнес-комьюнити как раз проблема в отсутствии консолидации. Вместо того, чтобы выбрать одну тему, которая касается всех, тут подымают вопрос, который влияет, скажем, только на десяток бизнес-ассоциаций. Это неэффективный путь – он рассредоточивает. А вот единая глобальная проблема объединяет. Скажем, налоги. Это то, что звучит глобально и касается всех без исключений.

– Каков опыт Соединенных Штатов в налаживании диалога между властью и малым и средним бизнесом?

– Конечно, малый и средний бизнес в США тоже занимается адвокаси, то есть строит общественные кампании, направленные на представительство или защиту прав и интересов данного бизнес-комьюнити. Они работают с Торгово-промышленной палатой. У нас есть региональные палаты – Region Local Chamber of Commerce, есть главная  US Chamber of Commerce, которые защищают интересы бизнесов всех уровней.

– Но каков сам механизм защиты интересов?

– Все время идет «паблик прайм-тайм», то есть постоянный публичный диалог. Поэтому акцент следует делать на сильной коалиции бизнес-комьюнити, объединенной вокруг единой цели, а не как в крыловской басне про Лебедя, Рака и Щуку. Это так не работает.

– А как это происходит в других, например, восточноевропейских странах?

– Если взять пример Белоруси, то там малому и среднему бизнесу сначала тоже было трудно добиться, чтобы его услышали. А сейчас он довольно активно общается с властью, у них есть диалог. Президент Лукашенко раньше, лет десять тому, публично называл бизнес-сообщества «вшивыми блохами». За это десятилетие белорусское бизнес-сообщество делало все, чтобы показать правительству: они представляют не набор маленьких проблем, а бизнес как целое, и их надо выслушать. Белорусские бизнес-ассоциации, кстати, состоят не только из общественных объединений, но и работают с аналитическими центрами, экспертами, которые помогают им. Например, ежегодно делают опрос бизнеса, выявляя основные проблемы.

– Исходя из того, что вы увидели и услышали в Киеве, можете ли вы выделить какие-то характерные особенности МСБ по-украински?

– Трудно говорить об особенностях, так как бизнес в каждой стране работает по-разному. Разный бизнес-климат. В Азербайджане, например, практически нет малого и среднего предпринимательства. Бизнес монополизирован несколькими олигархами. Нет конкурентной среды. Все концентрируется в руках двух-трех семей, «элиты». Вы сейчас скажете, что в вашей стране тоже есть олигархи, но у вас все выглядит совершенно иначе. В Украине есть малый и средний бизнес, и его нужно развивать. Ведь именно он является драйвером экономики.

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